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 dev-20110702-1603

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Maintainer:
jamie_boo
Status: In testing
Architecture: i386
Type: KDE
Registered: 3 years ago

Tests

Untested cases (6)

Test caseReportsSuccessWarningsFailures
#000: Integrity check0000
#005c: Kernel metapackage0000
#010 Clean root dir0000
#011 /etc/apt/preferences.d0000
#058: kubuntu-netbook-default-setting not installed0000
#105: Boot Hybrid ISO via USB0000

Failed cases (2)

Test caseReportsSuccessWarningsFailures
#020: Ctrl, Alt, Backspace2002
#045: MP3 CD Ripping1001

Warning cases (5)

Test caseReportsSuccessWarningsFailures
#003: Plymouth text theme2110
#042: apt sources3210
#044: apt update2110
#047: Online Plugins and File associations2110
#061: nVidia chipset1010

Succeeded cases (17)

Test caseReportsSuccessWarningsFailures
#001: ISO label2200
#003: Plymouth text theme2110
#004: Plymouth default theme2200
#005: Network Manager / Wicd3300
#019: LSB and info file4400
#036: Localized installation1100
#038: Installation with custom-partitioning2200
#039: Other OS in Grub2200
#042: apt sources3210
#043: apt policy2200
#044: apt update2110
#044: DVD Playback1100
#045: repository keys2200
#047: Online Plugins and File associations2110
#057: no predefined phonon/pulse interfaces1100
#060: Intel chipset1100
#062: ATI chipset1100

Comments


  3 years ago

clem

@Boo:

  • You can install LMDE on your box, along with mintconstructor, virtualbox-nonfree, etc...
  • Update to mintupdate-debian and point to the latest repo, and update to update-pack 1
  • sudo ln -s /usr/bin/genisoimage /usr/bin/mkisofs (to fix a regression on mintconstructor, bcause some ##### broke that upstream just because he could)
  • You can build packages and grub works just the same way as on the Ubuntu base.
  • For the repository, ideally you'd be using the main debian one.. same as me... or a new debian-kde repository.
  • To build the ISO, I would suggest starting off the LMDE Gnome ISO and from there removing Gnome/GDM and installing KDE/KDM... then progressively working on making it look and behave as similar to the current KDE Edition as possible.
  • You should note a significant improvement in speed and snappiness, especially with KDE.
  • The current KDE version in LMDE is 4.6.3.
  3 years ago

McLovin

I've gotta be honest, after testing out the new Ubuntu 11.10 alpha, and seing the direction that things are going, and with all the trouble we've been having lately with all the editions, I think that moving everything over to a strait Debian base is a good idea. We seem to be having nothing but problems with the Ubuntu base lately, and its delaying releases. At least with a Debian base, we can  keep things stable, and we dont have to rely on Ubuntu, or follow their release schedule, giving us more time to make sure everything is ready before releasing, and also allowing us to release a newer version sooner, if there is a significant change that calls for it.

  3 years ago

Kendall

1. LMDE - Yeah I think it's a good idea at this point. Probably a better idea than rolling off of what has proved itself to be a "less than appropriate" base for building anything.

2. As long as it's stable and it works, then it's not a matter of what version it is.

3. Whatever works, dude.

4. Whatever works dude. I bought a new laptop so I use the old one as a dedicated testing box. I refuse to test beyond live image capacity with the new laptop, but at least having the old one is notable when testing. Personally I've always had more trouble there than it's worth on the current code base, but that's me personally. Though this drastically affects testing of the lighter editions, it doesn't necessarily have to affect KDE. I personally say, go for ti.

5. Most default configuration packages will work on Debian with no issues. At this point it's taking a configuration and copying it into a package. If it were compiling large amounts of C code, then I'd be worried. Essentially you're just telling certain things where to go, which is not something that is disto specific.

6. Yes.

All of my above anwers reflect my personal opinion. Don't let them sway you beyond that.

  3 years ago

jamie_boo

OS detection works for me ie grub but I thought the problem was OS detection in the partioning stage of install. But this could be just a storage HD size problem with my VM and the KDE install size. I have changed the kdm but should I replace the arrow image with the LM-KDE icon? changed ksplash too.

I am testing a VM storage idea I have but looking at Debian I want to clear up some dev environment setup points.

Can/Should I :

  • install LMDE as my base DE, does debian play as well with multiboot as ubuntu?
  • install KDE DE (this will be an older version though)
  • install mintconstructor
  • install VirtualBox
  • Build my packages for debian?
  • Build ISOs
  3 years ago

exploder

Kendall, I couldn't agree with you more!

  3 years ago

Kendall

@clem, @boo: I think that given the new update infrastructure for LMDE, moving KDE to it makes an awful lot of sense. It would do a lot regarding resource usage, however it would also put some more people on the Debian base which would give us a larger pool of resources regarding things such as regression testing across multiple desktops and applications. Ultimately I think we're all heading in that direction anyway.

  3 years ago

clem

@Boo:

  • Is there a launchpad bug for this? Maybe there's a known workaround/solution
  • Maybe we can simply use the GTK frontend of Ubiquity instead?
  • How do reproduce this? It's been working fine for me...
  • LMDE will definitely bring a solution to the performance problem, it would make KDE more usable on low and mid-specs computers. It's your decision Boo... if you want to go down that road I can make a KDE deviation of LMDE for you. Let me know.
  3 years ago

jamie_boo

Ok been doing some ubuquity testing in VMs and I have found kubuntu does not show other  OS's when installing partitions. So I guess it is ubiquity or the kde-ui and not the mint version or mint-kde one.

That leaves the question what do we do with this release. we can not release it with this big a bug.

Any Ideas? I see debian has been proposed or what about fedora, or schientific linux...

I have some RHEL 6 SOE work I "need" to do for work that I would really like like to be spending time on. 

I also want to write a paper for linux.conf.au "Brute force deployment in a highly configured environment".

  3 years ago

cpatrick08

maybe you should move to debian based it might be eaiser to make and maintain with the new update system in place for mint debian based distros

  3 years ago

jamie_boo

Im wondering if the os-prober problem is due to the ubiquity ui changes, I dont see how but it is the only real changes to ubiquity. I will remove the kde ubiquity and rebuild.

most plasma-desktop configs are done via ecma scripts in /usr/share/mintkde-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js

im wondering if the desktop theme fushigi is causing problems with the plasma desktop eg wallpaper and moving/resizing windows...

missed reconq due to other dependancy issues.

the system chooses the wallpaper aspect if a real wallpaper in installed which will have multiple aspects ratio images.

the system automaticly sets 3D effects if it determins if it able to.

  3 years ago

Kendall

Jockey ran again on shutdown, crashed and prevented shutdown until I closed it.

  3 years ago

Kendall

Ok, I got the CD track list to show up in Amarok (still can't get it to play) and I found the option to "Copy to Collection" with the .mp3 option available. No joy on this one. Clicking OK after going through the options results in the creation of the necessary directories, however I can't find the .mp3 file anywhere. 

  3 years ago

Kendall

I can not, for the life of me, figure out how to play a CD in Amarok. It plays in VLC and GNOME-Mplayer though. Also no idea how to rip to MP3. Leaving this one for someone else before I get irritated and mark it failed on general principle.

DVD playback is fantastic in both VLC and GNOME-Mplayer, but there's no autorun prompt or anything. You have to manually open the applications then play the disk.

  3 years ago

McLovin

I have discovered that when trying to change the desktop background, you have to select and apply twice for it to take affect

  3 years ago

Kendall

Not sure how to test "Ubuntu in low graphics mode" as it specifically states Gnome, however there are Ubuntu references in the stated file. Leaving that one alone.

  3 years ago

McLovin

I have had total success wtith the install of grub seeing all my other OSes

  3 years ago

Kendall

mint-local-repository wasn't installed on my system for some odd reason:

p  mint-local-repository           - Local repository for Linux Mint

  3 years ago

Kendall

I have no way of testing mint4win and I have no idea how one would go about testing Jamendo/Magnatune stuff so I can offer no feedback there. I also don't have an ATI chipset.

I'll run home here in a few minutes and grab a CD and a DVD to test those and see how they do. I'm not sure I have time to do another installation in another language as I have quite a "to do" list today, but I'll see about it here in a couple of hours.

  3 years ago

Kendall

@McLovin: Wait a few minutes and try apt update again. Sometimes servers go down for maintenance or other less savory reasons.

  3 years ago

Kendall

There are a lot of menu redundancies regarding things showing up in more than one place. Maybe put in a different .menu file? Also "Additional Drivers" didn't automatically run for me on either the live image or the installed system. 

Klipper in the menu returns no visible activity, running it from the terminal tells me that it's already running. Is this running by default?

Running KGpg from the menu fails. I had to run "kdesudo kgpg" from the terminal to get it running and it returns some errors.

Running synaptiks from the menu failed the first time and wouldn't start for me until after I ran it from a terminal first for some odd reason.

  3 years ago

McLovin

I am also unable to print to PDF from the web

  3 years ago

McLovin

I have found that there is an issue with some of the repos that are included by default, alot of them are getting 404 and just conection errors, I have included a link to the output of the errors

http://pastebin.com/N8dMwbxx

  3 years ago

McLovin

I am able to confirm there not being a ~/Downloads folder as well

  3 years ago

Kendall

BlueDevil didn't work for me, but presumably this is because neither of my laptops are Bluetooth capable.

  3 years ago

Kendall

No ~/Downloads directory by default.

  3 years ago

Kendall

Attempting to install chromium-browser through the community site results in the following message:

"Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program."

  3 years ago

McLovin

For some reason when I try to boot from a USB thumb drive, it fails every time, I have tried multiple thumb drives, using both unetbootin, and thee installed start disk creator built into Mint Main Edition, and could not get it to boot.

Also, when I booted from the DVD, I got an error message saying "Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode", but then once the desktop loaded, it was fine, I'm running an Nvidia gt240 on a Dell Studio XPS desktop.

  3 years ago

Kendall

Ogg Theora wants to open with Amarok as the default for some odd reason. I'm seeing the same Quicktime and WMV issues I saw with LXDE, however I believe that's just my particular hardware.

  3 years ago

Kendall

fortunes-husse is installed however I've opened the terminal probably 50 times now and still haven't seen a single one of his quotes show up.

  3 years ago

Kendall

Print to PDF from the Mint start page resulted in a blank PDF in the home folder. Attempting it from other sites such as google.com and kendalltristan.com resulted in no PDF at all.

  3 years ago

Kendall

Is it supposed to search for additional drivers after clicking to restart after running the installer?

Also successfully installed alongside LMDE and I've got good grub entries for everything.

  3 years ago

Kendall

Installer asks "Where would you like to install kubuntu?" Not entirely sure where to look for the fix for this.

  3 years ago

Kendall

No joy for Ctrl+Alt+Backspace on my test box.

  3 years ago

Kendall

apt search ~M returns a fair number of results from the live image. Running "aptitude keep-all" and then "aptitude unmarkauto ~M" in the chroot should clear this up.

  3 years ago

Kendall

I'm seeing quotes in the default Plymouth text theme.

Also the default wallpaper appears to be for 4:3 ratio monitors. Should it not be for 16:10 or 16:9 instead?

  3 years ago

exploder

It is Independance Day here and I have to spend most of the day with my family. I will see how far the testing is on this Tuesday and help out. I did look at how this release detects other operating systems last night and was able to get it to see another operating system. I don't know if this is consistant but it did at least work once and if I remember right Kubuntu might have had the same problem. I will be testing in Virtualbox because the nvidea drivers stop working for no reason that I can find after several times of booting up. I keep getting "The drivers are installed but not in use" message and the usual fixes keep resulting in a system that no longer boots.

  3 years ago

cpatrick08

looks good so far

  3 years ago

cpatrick08

testing right now

  3 years ago

clem

About the artwork:

  • Don't enable the 3D effects by default (they probably eat a lot of resources)
  • Colors should be "Oxygen cold". They're rightly selected by default, but they're not applied by default for some reason.
  • Switch the default wallpaper to EOS. The LM one doesn't contrast enough with the look and feel.
  • Make a new KDM theme based on Horos using EOS for the wallpaper.
  • Get the black background from the latest grub2-theme-mint to update the your own grub2 theme.
  • Tell ksplash to be transparent (if possible), i.e. not to use its own wallpaper but to show on top of the KDE wallpaper instead. If that's possible it might eat less resources too. If not, tell it to use EOS.

Here's a few screens to illustrate:

  3 years ago

clem

I've got good news!

I performed the following test:

  • 30GB HDD with 3 partitions: sda1, sda2 and a swap.
  • I installed something on sda1 (as it happened it was Ubuntu 10.10)
  • I then installed Mint 11 KDE (this ISO) on sda2.

The result was as expected: Grub showed both Ubuntu and Mint 11 KDE.

@Boo: When did the detection of other OS fail for you? Can you reproduce it always? and if so, in what conditions?

@everybody else: OK people, let's start testing this ISO please :) Do so in a VM if you're not comfortable with the os detection... though, I just tested it and it seems to work. Hopefully we get more info from Boo about this soon.

@Boo: Sporadically I get the the wallpaper, sometimes I don't... Either way, this is not good. It should appear ALWAYS :) Not sure what the solution is on this one though tbh...

  3 years ago

clem

Rekonq should be removed. By default APT will want to replace it with Konqueror, so you simply need to run:

apt remove --purge rekonq konqueror

That way you get rid of both.

  3 years ago

clem

@boo: Where do you set your default wallpaper? I was expecting to see it defined in plasma-desktop-appletrc but it's not in there.

  3 years ago

jamie_boo

the black background could be due to not enough video memory or other memory. I had this with the first background I made with png files so I made them into jpeg files which shrank them a lot and then they worked.

  3 years ago

clem

Just a potential lead.. os-prober could fail due to partitions being mounted... make sure there's no scripts or apps installed in the system which automatically mount devices/partitions as these could interfere. Just a wild guess...

  3 years ago

clem

The detection of other OSes is usually done by os-prober. Is there any difference between this edition and the main one, and/or Kubuntu in regards to os-prober?

  3 years ago

clem

@Boo: The background doesn't show up. All I get is a black background. I tried to boot it twice now, and checked the MD5, black background... The style and app selection look good. The only thing I noticed was rekonq still being there.

  3 years ago

mmesantos1

+1 on what Exploder has stated, it is a deal breaker of an issue. I appreciate you wanting to show the new theme  but before we can test this ISO that issue needs to be addressed first.

  3 years ago

exploder

We can't pass this with the problem with ubiquity, it would be a serious issue for some.

  3 years ago

Kendall

...and I have to see this AFTER I get to work.  #facepalm

Looking forward to seeing the changes. :)

  3 years ago

jamie_boo

One notable bug is ubiquity does not see other OS's. I have not worked out yet what is installed or adjustment kills this in the disk partitioning.

Check out the new look and less apps.

Have fun.