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 LMDE Monthly Build ISO Image

Created 7 years ago, edited 7 years ago.
Status changed 6 years ago
Author:

kazztan0325
Status:
Considered
  Score:
 25
42 votes
Idea:

A few days ago, I installed LMDE(201101) as Virtual Machine with VirtualBox.

After logging in LMDE for the first time, run mintUpdate at first, I found that there are so many many updates.
They are concerned with their dependency, It was impossible to install all of them at a burst.

I could not help installing updates bit by bit...
and...Most of updates could be installed in the end, though "mint-meta-codecs" and "mint-meta-debian" were removed...

I think, If LMDE ISO Image is provided as Monthly Build by the month, It will decrease the problem of dependency at the first update, and it will helpful to the users who want to try LMDE at any time.

(Forgive my poor English, please!)

Comments:

6 years ago

LexMK
While I agree with Clem that monthly updates are if not just not enough useful, time-consuming for the whole team, I have to agree with you that Mint Debian needs more attention.

Its rolling nature makes it better because the user does not have to reinstall it every six months or be struck with old software. While it says that "it is not stable as the Ubuntu-based one and things might break", I found it to be as stable and I had never any problem with. Guess it is because of all the testing done before every UP.
 
6 years ago

sunewbie
Thank you @clem .
Got a better understanding about UP philosophy
 
6 years ago

kazztan0325
@clem:
Thank you for your comments.
I understood your thoughts.

 
6 years ago

clem
I think it's important to consider this:

- Time isn't a criteria that matters to us. When we upgrade and decide to open up a new UP, we look at quality and stability.

- LMDE only represents a fraction of the Mint user base. It's important for us not to allocate all our resources to it if that means less development goes into the main editions.

- LMDE users can follow Testing, they have a choice here and aren't stuck to UPs. That's another argument in favor of stability and against regular updates.

Remember, the reason why we implemented the UP system in the first place is not to bring monthly upgrades, but to hold off and protect ourselves from breakages and regressions happening in Debian Testing.
 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@RayWoods:

I accept your decision.
At that time when I posted this idea, I didn't understand well the Mint Team is developing so many projects though the team is so small.

Now I also just hope a more frequent update period for the ISO files would be implemented if it is possible.

 
7 years ago

LexMK
I like LMDE more than Main. Rolling is better.

This could be a very good idea.
 
7 years ago

sunewbie
Hi Raywoods You are a now a mod :D

congrats

Clem also stated that work for UP 5 will be after mint 13 so may be 2-3 months should be expected. I think next ISO will not be as large as UP 4, because it will only have updates to Gnome 3 / MATE and Cinnamon
 
7 years ago

RayWoods
Having just tried to install on VB LMDE201109-gnome and updating to Update Pack 4 (@ > 700 MB!!) I can only agree with this request! Although, probably monthly intervals might be an onerous load upon the Development Team. Perhaps a more frequent update period for the ISO files may be considered depending upon the number and complexity of Update Packs during the intervening period. Clem has already said a new ISO is being developed now Update Pack 4 is out. New > Implemented.  
7 years ago

sunewbie
you are welcome @kazztan0325 :) always ;)  
7 years ago

kazztan0325
Thank you for your information, @sunewbie !
 
7 years ago

sunewbie
Update pack 4 is in the testing phase.

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=187&t=95434&start=0
 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
'Mint 12 KDE' and 'Mint 12 LXDE RC' have already released.

I hope 'Update Pack 4 for LMDE' would be released in near future.

 
7 years ago

sunewbie
@kazztan0325:
I agree with you. If update packs are delayed, then when they are released, there will be an avalanche of MBs, maybe as big as the distro itself.

 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@sunewbie:
I also think improving 'Cinnamon' is very important for the future of Mint, of course.
But I hope Mint Team would provide Update Packs as periodically as possible.

 
7 years ago

sunewbie
yes. Update pack is still due to some. Clem and Team must be very busy. Focus should be on improving cinnamon.  
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@sunewbie:
Thank you for your support.

Even new 'Update Pack' (Update Pack 4) for LMDE has not been out yet, though 3 months and over have passed since previous 'Update Pack' (Update Pack 3) was out.

It seems Mint Team (especially Clem himself) is tremendously busy lately, because they are wrestling with developing various project.

 
7 years ago

sunewbie
+1 on net install, but still i like original idea.

Clem had once said that he would release new ISO every 2 months.

Maybe he is finding it tough sue to lack of staff strength,
 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@passstab:

I also think your idea would be better for Dev Team to decrease their work.

But Mint's philosophy is to provide a ready-to-use, easy-out-of-the-box desktop, then your idea is contrary to Mint's philosophy.

Anyway last decision "to be considered or to be rejected" would be passed by Moderators, not by us.

 
7 years ago

passstab
i think my idea which is to make a lmde netinstall makes more sense as it would (i think) decrease the work for the devs whale addressing a lot of the same issues
http://community.linuxmint.com/idea/view/1359
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=78732
 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@compuman2004:

Thank you for your support.

By the way, a question popped into my mind just now...

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx releases its 'point release', doesn't it?
e.g. 10.04.1, 10.04.2, 10.04.3, 10.04.4

What about Mint 9 LTS Isadora?
It seems Isadora has no 'point release', if I'm not wrong.
If so, I'm afraid the same issue would possibly occur to Isadora.
or is it impossible the same issue would occur to Isadora??

 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
Thanks all for your comments.

@ussher:
The problem which you wrote is related to not only LMDE but also other Editions of Mint.

If you are interested in, please refer one of my ideas "Improve 'Software Sources' (Version 2.0)".

 
7 years ago

ussher
I also found there were many updates but the problem could be fixed by updating the sources.list.

For me from japan i found that there was no debian-multimedia repo for japan so it went with the default one which was a long way way.

changing the repos to ones closer to me made a HUGE difference in speed.

Theses repos work great from Tokyo:
deb http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/LinuxMint/ debian main upstream import
deb http://ftp.debian.or.jp/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/debian/debian-security/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/debian-multimedia testing main non-free

The difference was a couple of hours the first time i intalled (on the wrong partition) then about 10min once i knew which repos to use.
 
7 years ago

Ioseph
This is relevant to my interests. Am currently waiting a new release myself to "clean up" and start fresh. At the very least let it be a torrent so the load isn't on the servers. I'd jump on seeding 24/7  
7 years ago

m4daredsun
+1
@kazztan0325 and @RayWoods : happened the same to me a couple of weeks ago. 15 minutes to install the OS and then it took several hours of work to completely update the system.
 
7 years ago

Gurman
IMO bimonthly or quarterly will more optional.  
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@RayWoods, Thank you for your approval.

I feel sorry to make Mint Team will have to work more hard by providing LMDE ISO Image monthly (or bimonthly, or quarterly).
However, if this suggestion is accepted, it will increase the users who challenge to install LMDE.
 
7 years ago

RayWoods
I had exactly the same experience when I last dabbled with LMDE. Even if you went straight into the Package Manager the dependency problem couldn't be sorted out their and, like you @kazztan0325, I had to do the updates in small stages, (which takes a great deal of time; although not as long as an initial Vista update!! :¬) ).

Even by-monthly or Quarterly would be a good improvement. I think currently we are looking at six-monthly which in practice is turning out to be too long.

As things stand, especially for Newbies, it is best to jump on to the LMDE wagon soon after the release, or else wait until the next one.
 

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