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 Update Packeges in the Community for software review

Created 7 years ago, edited 7 years ago.
Status changed 6 years ago
Author:

blueXrider
Status:
Planned
  Score:
 35
49 votes
Idea:

This idea is for the LinuxMint Community Board

Please update the list of packages in the software section. i tried to find LibreOffice to make a comment but couldn't find it.

09-08-2011 72% approval

Comments:

6 years ago

AshBaby
good idea  
7 years ago

dagon
This idea is a duplicate of:
http://community.linuxmint.com/idea/view/1457

 
7 years ago

dagon
I don't know what's going on here but I mark this as considered so someone can have a look at it.
Though, if it's a package/version that isn't in the main repositories it's a good idea not to include it for review to avoid confusion(see remoulders second comment)

new -> considered
 
7 years ago

Kraft
I promote this idea too.  
7 years ago

RayWoods
A lot of ideas have been languishing around in the pending tray (New Status) for a very long time. Me thinks the site's powers to be are far too busy developing Linux Mint in its various guises to be able to spend much time on this site.

Perhaps we need an Editor for the site. Their job will involve passing on ideas to the development team and administering this site.
 
7 years ago

Labby
Agreed! I was just searching for LibreOffice to add my review and couldn't find it.

I am promoting this idea, but seeing since @blueXrider posted this a month ago, I'm guessing it will be quite some time before we see any updates around here. :(
 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@prativasic:
I think we cannot help the total score of VirtualBox will be divided into 3 parts.
But I guess the users who need 'VirtualBox' would install it without consideration of its score.
So it would not be a big problem.

And then I don't think there are many packages which include its version number in their name like 'VirtualBox'.
So I think it would be good if package and its version would be shown like below:

e.g.
[opera]
Releases:
* Isadora (10.10.4742.gcc4.qt3)
* Julia (10.62.6438)
* Katya (11.10.2092-1mint1)
 
7 years ago

prativasic
And, yes, I promote this idea.  
7 years ago

prativasic
@kazztan0325:
Great, but then the total score of virtualbox will be divided into 3 parts. And the score of individual versions will be low enough to ignore by new people.
@blueXrider:
Yes, I agree with that.

@ both of you:
I personally think that the best solution to this problem is to remove Release info as well as Software Version info from the community DB. But there could be written which is the latest version of the software.

e.g.
VirtualBox [Latest Version: 4.0]

This way we will get many votes for the same software which will be enough to motivate new people. And yes, new software should be added to the DB as soon as they are available in repository (whatever the release is).
 
7 years ago

blueXrider
The problem lies within the DB not as current as the releases. Software should be available to to review no matter which distro is being utilised.

Some folks are using more than one distro on different machines and should be a clarification as to what software goes with what distro.

See the comment "Releases:" on each software's review page of Community"
 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@prativasic:

Updating the Community's Software Database which we need is NOT REPLACING older version with newer version.
We just need to BE ADDED newer version and some software which be newly added.

e.g.
There is only 'virtualbox-3.1' for Isadora users in the Community's Software Database.
We need to be added 'VirtualBox-3.2' for Julia users and 'VirtualBox-4.0' for Katya users.
 
7 years ago

prativasic
It sounds really a good idea to me. But I just have few questions in my mind. I think it needs some clarification.
We all agree that the purpose of the Community's Software Database is to make a good reference of software for new people. Now, whenever an existing mint user vote, the database gets updated. This is really a good system. And we don't have any obligation towards this.
But, the thing is that, whenever some mint (Katya and Julia) user try to review some (new) software, they are not present in the DB. I know, its really confusing.
But think about it. If the current system is modified according to your idea, then the DB needs to get updated with every major release, not with every LTS release. And this will lead to a LTS user to a really confusing state because s/he would see reviews were present for some software, but not present in the software manager.
Now, I think you all know about the conservative approach of Linux Mint to software update. And if that's the case, then Linux Mint should prefer LTS releases more than the non-LTS regular releases.
And hence, they update the DB with every LTS, not with every release.
 
7 years ago

tayss
Definitely would suggest to review existing packages before. Found some nice packages without a single note on it.  
7 years ago

blueXrider
Thanks all for your support. Need more votes to get it implemented.  
7 years ago

blueXrider
Thanks all for your support. Need more votes to get it implemented.  
7 years ago

kiss_It
I like this idea  
7 years ago

kazztan0325
@blueXrider:

What I felt strangeness seems be solved through your raising.

Please refer my idea which I submitted about 2 weeks ago.

""Releases:" on each software's review page of Community"
 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
I tried to review "VirtualBox-3.2" by Software Manager on Julia (which is also a Virtual Machine, no LaunchPad PPA be added), but it was refused with Error message too.

Conclusion:
Community's Software Database has never updated since Isadora released.
It is necessary and is important for us (not only Katya users but also Julia users) that Community's Package Database has to be updated as soon as possible.
 
7 years ago

kazztan0325
I tried to review "VirtualBox-4.0" by Software Manager on Katya (which is a Virtual Machine, no LaunchPad PPA be added), but it also be refused with Error message like below (as same as @RayWoods said).

"Invalid package name
The package you're trying to review was not found in our database. Please contact the development team about this."

I think, It is necessary and is important for us (especially Katya user) that Community's Package Database has to be updated as soon as possible.
It is the point of this issue.
 
7 years ago

remoulder
bluexrider: I see no hypocrisy in my comment, I suggest you reread it without the obvious bias you seem to have. Whether you agree or not, do not resort to personal comments.  
7 years ago

Xyie
Agreed, if the software is in the standard repositories for a release, it should appear in the community website for software reviews. Else, list to what release the community website's software is relevant. (If only updating the software list for review for every LTS release, mentioning this fact clearly. Otherwise, if new software is available in the default repositories in the newest release, the new software should also be available in the community website for review.)  
7 years ago

blueXrider
Remoulder,

If that were the case then the Community shouldn't have listed ANY software; like say VLC, Opera, Firefox, or any software other than the Mintlinux collection (based on ubuntu) that is in the official repository.

It would be ludicrous to think that you would have the correct answer to every question.

The statement, quote>
"This would lead to the situation where a review was present on this site but not present via the software manager, and would probably result in confusing users". is irreverent, because the software that I was looking for IS in the software manager on my system.

If anything the Community is BROKEN and the portals are corrupt.

Now how is it possible that we can add 3rd party repositories but not for reviews? Your statements are full of Hypocrisy. It can't be both ways.

Look at Distrowatch for example, the packages listed in Mint include "Firefox" but not "Abobe Flash"?

You are entitled to your opinion but please base it on the facts not feelings


 
7 years ago

remoulder
I don't agree that users should be able to review software that is not in the (standard) repositories for a release. This would lead to the situation where a review was present on this site but not present via the software manager, and would probably result in confusing users. Adding 3rd party repositories is fine but I don't think it should form part of the review process or Mint site as this could could imply those repos were officially sanctioned and/or supported by Mint.  
7 years ago

RayWoods
I think @blueXrider you have stumbled upon a bug in the Community Website (as well as being a valid idea).  
7 years ago

mikefreeman
Remoulder: Is the community website supposed to be used only for certain releases, say the latest LTS release? Or is it for all releases?

If the community site is for all releases, then shouldn't it have all software in all the releases' default repositories, regardless of version, listed for review? If so, then a release reference is not a relevant issue.

If it's even in just one of the release versions, it should be there for anyone to review no matter what release they use.

As a suggestion, perhaps the Software Manager should be made to allow users to add software packages to review, if they don't already exist in the database. If they aren't known by the website, the software manager could then register which Mint version it is being used with, and which repository it comes from (in case someone tries to add software from a 3rd-party repository). Maybe 3rd-party repositories should be allowed, and listed as such on the website as well. I don't know. Maybe not. Just a thought to consider.
 
7 years ago

blueXrider
LibreOffice is a developed package that has a listed repository. It can be installed in other distros other than Katya (however default). The question is, why isn't it listed in the community software to be reviewed by it's users?

Here's another question. What other software is missing?

How can it not be relevant? When the "community.linuxmint.com
The website for all Linux Mint users" suggests we should use and review the software, rate it or rank it according to our opinion then post it.

If it's not listed are we not to have an opnion?

Note here: ALL suggests those use Linuxmint and it's software and those members of the community.

Bottom line here. The community software portal doesn't list the software I was looking for, I use Katya. Where's the software list.

HOW IS IT NOT RELEVANT
 
7 years ago

RayWoods
I have LibraOffice working happily in both my computers, one running Linux Mint 9 and the other with 10. From the Software Manager I can see all the LibreOffice packages. Now try and submit a comment through this portal and you get
"Invalid package name
The package you're trying to review was not found in our database. Please contact the development team about this."
Try through the Community portal and it isn't mentioned at all.

Just because it is only the default in Linux Mint 11 shouldn't be relevant, as it can be employed in earlier editions. To my mind the system isn't working as intended.
 
7 years ago

remoulder
This is not relevant without reference to a particular release. Libreoffice is only in the default repositories for Katya.  

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